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I said I had not watched the entire game. Nall only got into the game when the 3rd string played. I rarely watch the third string in the pre-season. Those players will all be cut in 3 weeks anyway. He did break that 39 yarder but could not finish the deal and ended up short of the goal line in the waining minute of the game. It did lead to a nice kneel down by Foles though.

Sorry PB,O I know he is your homeboy. Nall once again showed out against the tail end of a roster. He has done this every year and never show up against real competition. Just my opinion, but the stats give truth to the claim. Pierce actually got into the game before Nall. Both looked pretty mundane. I think both are a stretch to make the final 53. One will make the PS. Probably Nall as he seems to be a coaches pet.

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Breaking Down Justin Fields' NFL Preseason Debut | Baldy Breakdowns

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Justin Fields will be the next great Chicago Bear QB. The only thing that will prevent that is coach Nagy. Nagy is a poor coach period. Nagy is stubborn and continues to repeat his mistakes. He is not able to play to the strengths of his players. Players have to adapt to his offense. He is inept at calling plays, and would not even be an offensive coordinator on another team. Interesting how he has taken over the play calling this year. He thinks he is a offensive guru. The first preseason game was a repeat of a failed offensive scheme. He will pass it off as too many injuries on the OL.Injuries are a part of the game and other teams are able to cope. Nagy's ego is too big. My concern, if Fields does start the play calling will hold back Fields.

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Sluggobear wrote:

Justin Fields will be the next great Chicago Bear QB. The only thing that will prevent that is coach Nagy. Nagy is a poor coach period. Nagy is stubborn and continues to repeat his mistakes. He is not able to play to the strengths of his players. Players have to adapt to his offense. He is inept at calling plays, and would not even be an offensive coordinator on another team. Interesting how he has taken over the play calling this year. He thinks he is a offensive guru. The first preseason game was a repeat of a failed offensive scheme. He will pass it off as too many injuries on the OL.Injuries are a part of the game and other teams are able to cope. Nagy's ego is too big. My concern, if Fields does start the play calling will hold back Fields.

I disagree... I keep seeing people claim he can't play to the strength of his players... if this is because he couldn't dumb his offensive system down enough for Trubisky to be successful, it's unfair to claim that... is it really his fault once defensive coordinators figured out that all you need to do to throw Trubisky off was roll coverages after showing him one look and he would either get confused and fluster or he would try to force a throw into his initial read... how good can an offense be if the players can't even execute on a basic level.

Last year was the perfect example of having polar opposite QBs and their one deficiency causing the offense to stumble...

With Trubisky in the game, they could run the ball because he was a threat to pull the ball and run with it, but when forced into a throwing down, he couldn't complete anything mid to deep consistently enough to be a threat and thus the offense would fail...

With Foles in the game, since he wasn't a run threat the other teams could shut down the run, which then made any attempt at playaction null and void.  Also he never got the chance to play behind the line that played solidly over the last 5 games so we really don't know what he could have done with the offense then.

But this nonsense idea that Nagy isn't a good coach will be gone by the end of this year.  What Fields was able to do in the from the mid-second through the third quarter is an example of how he will be able to open both the run game and the passing game.  He is a home run threat every time he pulls that ball and because of that he will be able to wheel and deal and find plays like that third down pass where instead of just taking off he curved to stay behind the line and dropped the ball over the defender's head to a wide open receiver.  He will also open lanes for the backs to go because the backside defenders won't be able to just crash down on the running play... and then you see what the fear of the running can get you as a TE was able to slip out COMPLETELY uncovered for an easy pitch and catch TD... those were all plays called by Nagy and they all worked just fine with players who could perform them... also the tackles for when Fields was in the game were Wilkinson, an undrafted FA player they picked up from FA after a stint with Denver and Simmons, a 7th round pick in 2020... so he didn't need all-pro OTs to move around the pocket and he didn't need to roll out every play off play-action to complete passes down the field... it's weird, it's almost like he's a good QB who doesn't need everything perfect around him to be successful... 

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Justin Fields Refused To Leave The Field After Rough Practice

By Erik Lambert

Here is the thing to remember about training camp. Not every day will be perfect. Even the best players can have down moments from time to time. This is especially true for rookies. Justin Fields is no exception. As talented as he is, there is still so much for him to learn. The Chicago Bears defense reminded him on Thursday when they handed the QB one of his worst practice showings of camp.

Most rookies would’ve just shaken their heads and gone to the locker room wondering what went wrong. Here is the thing though. Fields isn’t most rookies. One thing that has stood out constantly about the 11th overall pick is his perfectionism. The guy is a workaholic. When he senses a weakness in his game, he is going to attack it with unrelenting energy. That element of obsession in his personality is what drew the Bears to him.

His response to the poor practice was predictable in that regard.

According to Patrick Finley of the Chicago Sun-Times, the rookie pulled quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo aside after practice ended. Rather than express frustration or stating he’ll do better next time, Fields had a simple request.

Frustrated by the way he played earlier in the day, Bears rookie quarterback Justin Fields had a request for his position coach Thursday. After practice was done, he asked quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo to walk him through the practice script — what plays the team ran — a second time.

“It’s just really refreshing to see a young guy as willing as he — that’s had the amount of success he’s had in his past — [and] he wants to be great … ” DeFilippo said Thursday afternoon. “Little things like that, that, I don’t wanna say wow you, because I know the player. I’ve gotten to know him over time. It doesn’t shock me that he wants to do that.”

This is a nice snippet of the player the Bears have at quarterback. It is one thing for Fields to be as talented as he is. Most his age would be content leaning on their pure physical ability. They don’t learn to embrace the mental discipline required of an NFL quarterback until a couple of years into their careers. Not Fields. To him, hard work is the same as breathing. He knew the Bears defense showed him how far he still has to go before he’s ready. So not a moment will be wasted working to get there.

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But this nonsense idea that Nagy isn't a good coach will be gone by the end of this year.

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But this nonsense idea that Nagy isn't a good coach will be gone by the end of this year.

If we have games with 53 yards total on the ground from only 15 carries, he will be thrown mightily under the Team Bus by one and all!

We have all seen this guy get pass happy once the Bears are behind by 3 points and completely abandon the run. That kind of knee jerk reaction by a coach is not eliminated just by him saying things like "I know I need to run the ball more, I am not an Idiot!". But yet he did the same thing the following week anyway. That is a huge sign he is a bad coach.

I am going to have to go with the assumtion that Bama was being sarcastic and not at all serious.....but Papa has got it written down so.

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The Shadow wrote:

 

PapaBear.OR wrote:

 

BamaBear09 wrote:

 

 

But this nonsense idea that Nagy isn't a good coach will be gone by the end of this year.

If we have games with 53 yards total on the ground from only 15 carries, he will be thrown mightily under the Team Bus by one and all!

We have all seen this guy get pass happy once the Bears are behind by 3 points and completely abandon the run. That kind of knee jerk reaction by a coach is not eliminated just by him saying things like "I know I need to run the ball more, I am not an Idiot!". But yet he did the same thing the following week anyway. That is a huge sign he is a bad coach.

I am going to have to go with the assumtion that Bama was being sarcastic and not at all serious.....but Papa has got it written down so.

Saying the Bears understand the running game's importance and proving it are two different things

The inability to commit to running often been the sharp point of criticism for Nagy. Far too often that criticism was valid.

The Bears went through a stretch of seven games last year when they averaged less than 53 yards rushing a game, and not all of it was because their offensive line had issues blocking. 

Nagy dances around and talks about the flow of the game and how he's going to set up screens and play-action passing. 

The running game does more than set up passes. The running game binds together the offense. It is an entity unto itself, but complements the passing game. 

It also allows an offensive line to beat up on the defensive front so later in games it's easier to break big gains and put teams away in a time-consuming four-minute offense. 

Nagy still seems like the Arena League quarterback he was, always looking for the big gainer and never seeing how to set up a win with the run. This is apparent even when he talks about the running backs and running game.

"You know, I think our running backs have done a great job in training camp," Nagy said. "They understand where we're at and now. It's just a matter of us schematically figuring out what's the best way to be able to get, I think, like chunk runs. "Stay away from those 1- to 2-yard runs and get more of those 4- to 5- to 6-yard runs and then pop a few, too."

Teams run it hoping to break runs but patience is required. Nagy needs to be patient with the running game and should have learned this last year. They seemed to during their run to the playoffs, but Bill Lazor called plays then. Nagy is doing it now.

Best teams run the football

Nagy was asked about the running game and his answer was about how in Kansas City "they always talk about the extension of the run game as the quick passing," within the West Coast offense. 

This is where sirens or buzzers should go off. 

Wrong answer.

The quick passing game, in and of itself, does not beat up the interior of a defensive line. It might get the inside linebackers winded. It's not going to physically beat up anyone consistently except a cornerback or a safety.

The Baltimore Ravens don't throw the short passing game to beat people up. Neither did the good rushing teams Pittsburgh had. They beat people up, period. Good running games beat up the opposition.

Last year eight of the top 12 rushing teams made the playoffs. In 2019 eight of the top 10 rushing teams made the playoffs. In 2018 eight of the top 10 rushing teams made the playoffs. It's easy to go on because it's the same every year.

The Green Bay Packers know how to use the running game very well.

Nagy said something else very telling ........ He said people in Chicago are always "joking" that they need to run the ball. 

 

No one was joking. Running is serious.

It's not funny when a team averages 52.7 yards on the ground for seven weeks without gaining more than 96 yards in any of those games. 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/matt-nagy-says-he-really-understands-need-to-run

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