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Nick Foles To New York? It Is Gaining Some Newfound Heat

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Erik Lambert

Jun 9, 2021

 

The Chicago Bears are beginning their march to training camp now as summer arrives. OTAs are wrapping up and mandatory minicamps loom later this month. After that, it will be a month-long wait until July 31st when the team gathers in Lake Forest to get those pads on. Even so, the futures of some players on this roster remain uncertain. Not just the bottom-dwellers clinging to spots either. A few noteworthy vets could be gone under the right circumstances as well. Nick Foles is one of them.

Typically, the Bears have carried two quarterbacks on the main roster into a season with an emergency third guy on the practice squad. This season could be a rare exception. Foles’ contract is at such a point where cutting him is almost impossible. So the only way the Bears could get out from under it is via a trade. Thus far their attempts at this were met with failure. It looks like the veteran could be stuck on the roster as their #3 behind Andy Dalton and Justin Fields for this year.

That is unless something breaks in the next couple of months.

Jeremy Fowler of ESPN indicated that remains a strong possibility. He listed Foles as one of a handful of players who could be traded soon. He pinpointed the New York Jets as a team worth watching. Foles has ties to GM Joe Douglas and the team has no backups with experience behind #2 overall pick Zach Wilson. New York has more than enough cap space to handle Foles’ contract and a boatload of draft picks next year.

“Paying a third-string quarterback $4 million in guarantees is tough for the cash-strapped Bears, and there’s a clear connection to the New York Jets.

GM Joe Douglas was with Foles in Philly. The Jets have zero NFL experience in their quarterback room. It’s uncertain whether Foles actually wants to go to New York, but don’t be surprised if New York looks into this one.”

The Jets media are certainly doing their part to make this happen. They’ve been watching practices up to this point and one thing is clear. The backup situation behind Wilson looks as bad on the field as it does on paper. With few appetizing options on the free agent market, a trade for Foles sounds more appealing by the day.

Nick Foles situation should get clearer by training camp

It is possible the Jets are using these OTAs and mandatory minicamps as an evaluation period. A way to gauge what they really have at every position. Then they’ll have a full month until training camp to decide if they want to make a move for an upgrade. That is why action should be expected towards the end of July. If New York is hoping to add that veteran presence, they’ll want to do it before the 31st.

Nick Foles hasn’t been around at Bears OTAs to this point. Head coach Matt Nagy said it has to do with a personal matter. However, it’s fair to wonder if the team might be keeping him off the field to protect him from some freak injury in case the trade market heats up. That probably isn’t quite true but right now it feels like the team is looking to move him out more than keep him if possible.

If it doesn’t happen?

There is no reason to feel bad about it. The Bears will end up having the deepest quarterback room in the entire NFL. A former three-time Pro Bowler, the 11th overall pick in the draft, and a former Super Bowl MVP. That isn’t too bad. Especially given how swiftly injuries can strike a position.

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Looks like the cash strapped Bears are needing to find some cash to help with their rebuild. Their biggest trade partner is also their biggest FA competitor. The Jets still have about $27M in cap and the Bears have about $1.78 left. OL Moses was in Chicago for a visit but he is heading to the Jets first for a visit. Bears could definitely benefit from Moses but cannot afford him.

Extending ARob would also free up a huge chunk of Cap space, but that deadlock is set in granite. Foles and sorry to say, Hicks are the only two moves that would give Chicago some Cap relief.

This is why I hate kicking the can on contracts. Its all great and lovely as long as that Cap keep expanding, but the moment it drops (like 2021) the Piper needs paying. There are some teams in worse shape, not enough cash to pay their Rookie class.

I like this move of Foles to the Jets though. Gets him off the roster and gives Pace some cash to play with. After Foles terrible season, I do not see him ever playing another snap for the Bears. I hate to say I told you so, but, ...I told you so.  I really disliked the trade for Foles, as he has only ever had success with Philly. He is what he is, a poor mans Ryan Fitzpatrick. Dalton would have been a better move  last year, but he was still a Bengal at that time. He was released very late in the off season after the Foles deal was done and dusted.

Dalton is going to be a good transition QB for the Bears. I still think he will be the day one starter, but with a short leash. Latest by week 7 will be the Fields debut.

2021  At least I am not a Lions Fan!

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Pace needs to have an exit strategy. I see resigning Foles to ensure we had someone this year. Ok, sign Dalton cause Foles was not that reliable and he needs a backup plan in case the draft does not pan out. Now he got Fields, we have one too many #2 QBs. I can only assume he had a good idea he was going to be able to ditch Foles if things panned out adding QBs this off season.

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With the 17 game season beginning this year, I'm thinking the Bears are only one QB injury away from  a phone call inquiring about " how much will it take to trade for Foles. Not sure if the trade deadline was also pushed back by an extra week, but I still think Pace will get contacted.

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What move should the Bears make before training camp starts?

By Lester A. Wiltfong [email protected]  Jul 4, 2021, 1:17pm CDT  

The Chicago Bears made several tweaks to their roster in the last few months, with the biggest position group affected being the quarterbacks, but a recent article from ESPN Insider Field Yates suggests the Bears make one final move with their QB room by trading veteran Nick Foles.

The article is titled One last NFL offseason move for all 32 teams, and here’s Yates’ take for Chicago.

The Bears’ future at QB is Justin Fields, with Andy Dalton as the team’s announced 2021 starter for now. Foles is still due a guaranteed salary of $4 million this year, plus another $5 million guaranteed in 2022. Those numbers are too rich for an acquiring team right now, so the Bears will have to get creative to move Foles. That might mean taking on some or most of Foles’ salary this season and potentially attaching a draft pick.

Does that sound ideal? Far from it, but this is about future financial flexibility.

Trading the 31-year old Foles would not only require creativity from the Bears, but it would also require a team desperate enough to take him on.

Right now the market, if you can even call it that, consists on one logical team, the New York Jets.

N.Y. could probably use a veteran to work in the same room as rookie Zach Wilson, but they may not want to deal before seeing how their current back ups, James Morgan and Mike White play in preseason. Neither of those two have ever played in an NFL game, which gives the Jets the most inexperienced QB room in the history of the offseason.

Foles also played poorly a year ago, albeit with an awful collection of offensive linemen in front of him, so it may be in the Bears’ best interest to let him play in a few preseason games to get the stink of 2020 off him.

The “market” could grow if there are some bad preseason reps from the backup quarterbacks in Dallas, Tennessee, or Houston. The Cowboys could want better insurance in case Dak Prescott goes down (like their Andy Dalton move from last year). The Titans feel they are a legit Super Bowl contender, but they have nothing substantial behind Ryan Tannehill. And the Texans’ QB room is shaky anyway without Deshaun Watson.

Even though Foles’ star is dimming, he’s still a viable veteran placeholder that has the experience to run an NFL offense. If a team has a injury or two at quarterback in the next couple months their desperation for a QB could lead to a call to the Bears.

While I think trading Foles is something the Bears should consider, it’s not the one move I think Chicago should make before camp starts. That would be inking Allen Robinson to a long term contract.

The deadline to sign him off his franchise tag is July 15, and it would be smart to get that out of the way. A-Rob is a true pro and I highly doubt the lingering contract status would bother him, but the peace of mind that comes with that extension would be beneficial.

A reliable number one wide receiver is something the Bears are going to want to pair with Justin Fields, so locking one up while Fields is on his rookie contract makes all the sense in the world. A contract extension is not only the best thing for the long term outlook of the franchise but for the short term as well, because a new deal would drop Robinson’s 2021 cap hit and give the Bears some options this season.

More 2021 cap space could lead to a new veteran corner like Steven Nelson, or give them some wiggle room if there are any late camp cuts around the league that fills a need.

What’s the one move you’d like to see the Bears make before camp?

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Carson Wentz to undergo foot surgery, out 5-12 weeks

Posted by Myles Simmons on August 2, 2021, 12:12 PM EDT

As of Sunday afternoon, reports out of Indianapolis were that quarterback Carson Wentz would not have immediate surgery and would instead try to rehab his foot to get it better.

But those plans have changed.

Colts head coach Frank Reich told reporters on Monday that Wentz will have surgery later in the afternoon. The issue is with Wentz’s left foot and Reich said that it stems from a previous foot injury. According to Reich, the surgery will be to remove a piece of bone from Wentz’s foot that became loose and caused pain.

Reich said the timetable on Wentz’s return is a very wide 5-12 weeks. The Colts will know more about the timetable following the surgery.

The head coach added that the team was not that close to having Wentz simply rehab the injury, in part because it could come back midseason and take him out for the rest of it.

If Wentz is out for as many as 12 weeks, that could have significant implications on the conditions for the trade that sent the QB to Indianapolis. The Eagles are slated to receive a Colts first-round pick if Wentz plays 75 percent of the team’s 2021 offensive snaps, or 70 percent if the Colts make the playoffs. Otherwise, Philadelphia will receive a 2022 second-round pick to complete the deal.

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Nick Foles: I don’t want to get traded somewhere I don’t know anyone

Posted by Josh Alper on August 2, 2021, 2:12 PM EDT

Bears head coach Matt Nagy said this weekend that teams are “absolutely” going to look into trading for quarterback Nick Foles this year and the chatter hasn’t escaped Foles.

Foles told reporters at a Monday press conference that he knows “there’s a lot of talk out there” and said he feels he’s better than the third-string role he’s in with Chicago. Foles said that there were some overtures during the offseason, but they didn’t come at the right time for something to come together.

He also shared what he’s looking for in the event the Bears do deal him and he put going to a place with familiar faces at the very top of the list.

“I don’t want to go to someone that I don’t know,” Foles said. “When you have a great coaching staff, you have something special. Big reason we were great in Philly was we had a great coaching staff. It put us in position to succeed. . . . I don’t want to just go somewhere where I don’t know them, I don’t know the offense. I’ve gone down that road before and it’s not fun.”

One of Foles’ coaches when he won the Super Bowl MVP in Philly was current Colts head coach Frank Reich and Reich announced that Foles’ former Eagles teammate Carson Wentz will miss 5-12 weeks after having foot surgery earlier on Monday.

Foles called Reich “one of my favorite, if not my favorite, coaches of all time” and said that Reich “knows me” after working with him in the wake of Wentz’s torn ACL in 2017. Foles said he’s a “much better” version of himself than he was at that point,  but there’s been no clear signs from Indianapolis that this version will get another chance to fill in for an injured Wentz this season.

 

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Poor Wentz. He just cannot seem to get out from under Foles shadow. He is probably tagged with the injury prone label now.  This is how many long lasting injuries he has sustained in how many seasons? Has this guy ever played a full season of football anywhere? No wonder the Eagles moved on from him. He is going to rival Stafford soon for most injuries in a career.

He may be the new Mr. Glass.

Foles in his article was basically begging Reich to come and get him. I would be fine if Pace just got back the fourth rounder the Bears gave up to get him. The money is spent and won't be coming back. So save the baby and not the bath water there Ryan.

But then again, this move is just too logical. Bears won't make this trade happen.

I have nothing against Foles personally, seems like a cool guy. But the simple fact is, he is an average QB that needs a solid oline in front of him. When he has that, he is probably the streakiest QG we have ever seen. Going all the way back to his first outing with Chip Kelly in Philly.

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