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What would it take for you to support Mitch as Bear next season?
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I think this is a hard one for Bears fans, we all are pretty emotionally invested at this point, and for most the investment is seeing him gone, not returning. But is that the best path?

At the beginning of the season we all were still wondering if the system was not working because Nagy was handicapped by Mitch, or if the opposite was true and Mitch was being miss-used by a stubborn and unwavering HC.Most of us cheered seeing Foles promoted, thinking for sure the savy vet could make Nagy's offense start rolling. It did not. It flamed out in the worst way. It became so bad that the stubborn HC actually handed over his game day duties.

Injuries to Foles let Mitch back in and he has absolutely thrived with the changes. We have seen more good Mitch than bad for 3 straight games, really good Mitch. Lazor is taking full advantage of what Mitch brings to the table, limiting the things Mitch struggles at, and the offense is ranked in the top 5 over the last 4 games. Admittedly against some of the weaker defenses, but it is not as if Nagy was lighting up the games he should have been able to. Lazor and Mitch are getting it done.

So, assuming Pace and Nagy stay, what is the best direction to take with Mitch? I think most will agree a long term deal is foolish. I do not see Mitch signing anything long term that is in Chicago's favor. But... if Pace were to convince him to sign cheep it would be a one of the high risk/reward gambles that can pay off. Will he sign a one year deal? Or a two year with incentives for continuing to play at a high level? Is there any way that the franchise tag is worth it?

If Mitch continues to play good against the Jags and the Packers, I think Pace has to attempt to secure him for next year. But he has to make sure he also brings in legitimate competition. And the deal he makes for Mitch cannot be one that prevents the team turning to the new guy if Mitch reverts. One thing for certain, Mitch is making the end of 2020 interesting for us.

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When Mitch Trubisky arrived for his postgame Zoom press conference on Dec. 6, there was something striking about his posture, his tone, his reaction.

The Chicago Bears had just lost their sixth consecutive game, and they had done it in ridiculous fashion: blowing a 10-point lead in the final 5 minutes at home and falling to the last-place Detroit Lions 34-30. Trubisky had fumbled inside his own 10-yard line on the Bears’ penultimate possession, practically handing the Lions the winning touchdown.

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That teamwide unraveling had been disastrous, the kind of meltdown that can torpedo a season and allow frustration to take over. The Bears went from 5-1 in mid-October to 5-7 as they headed into the season’s stretch run.

Yet, in a 7-minute back-and-forth with reporters, Trubisky didn’t seem frazzled.

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He was obviously disappointed. But he wasn’t distraught.

He was sour but not shaken.

He was asked to describe his emotions after another unsatisfying twist to a trying year.

“I don’t know,” Trubisky said. “I feel kind of mentally hardened throughout this whole process. There have been a lot of ups and downs throughout the season and with everything that has happened. But I feel like I’m in control of my emotions. So I just want to continue to be positive and make sure I’m lifting up my teammates so we can get this thing going in the right direction.”

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Last week, Trubisky expanded on that feeling of being mentally hardened.

“Mentally I don’t feel like I can be fazed right now, just with where my focus is at,” he said. “And that has nothing to do with how you’re going to perform or (your) outcomes or results. But I just think with where I’m at mentally, I’m focused. I know exactly what I want. I’m driven. I’m bringing a certain presence and energy to the facility every day that my teammates can feed off.”

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-cb-chicago-bears-qb-rewind-mitch-trubisky-20201222-vayemuyl3vdwnahbgqcste6jy4-story.html

So, what i am hearing, Mitch is no longer a boy playing a mans game. Does not mean he will suddenly be a HOF player, but it does bode well that he is no longer going to just take it up the caboose. Perhaps we will see a Mitch no longer questioning "what would Nagy do" each snap and instead we will see the swagger that has let him have so many great 4th quarter comebacks.

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If Mitch continues to play well the last two games, why not sign him to a prove it deal. His play has been up and down to justify not giving him a long term deal. However, Mitch has outplayed Foles for the starting job and Foles would still be starting if he did not get injured. Unfortunately, I'm not sure Mitch will sign if Nagy is the coach next year. Mitch has the right not to trust Nagy. After Foles was signed, it was evident Mitch would be replaced by Foles as soon as Nagy could justify the switch. If Foles had won the job to start the season, do you think Nagy would have benched Foles after winning two straight like Mitch. I think not. 

I hope both Pace and Nagy are sent packing. Pace because he has made more poor; choices, signings, contracts and selections than good ones, and caused a lot of damage to the team.

Nagy because he is in over his head, and will never admit it. His ego is his biggest enemy, He is not even aware he is inept. He lacks the skill sets, experience and knowledge to be a head coach. 

Bottom line: if Nagy is gone and Mitch is willing, yes by all means give the kid another chance, if he plays well the final two games.

 

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After another win that keeps them in the playoff hunt, the Chicago Bears appear to have found a groove offensively as the 2020 season reaches its conclusion.

The Bears have a predicament, however, that a potential playoff appearance and good performances against bad defenses cannot fix: The long-term solution at quarterback still isn't on the roster and Mitch Trubisky's recent play doesn't change anything.

To use an analogy, looking at the current Bears quarterback situation reminds me of times when I forget my dirty laundry from the gym in the car for too long. Over time, the smell just gets a bit too overbearing and makes my driving experience less than fun. If I don't have any other options at a particular time, my solution to this becomes clear: I have to find ways to cover up the smell.

So, do I add air fresheners to circulate through the AC system? Absolutely. Spray Febreze when I leave the car to give it some fresh-smelling air while I'm not in the vehicle? You bet I do. Crack the windows so that outside air can keep the inside from becoming stale? Check.

All of these things listed above certainly help to cover up and make my driving experience more manageable. At the end of the day, though, there's still something in my car that's causing it to stink. If I don't get rid of the source of the problem, I'll never get my car back to what I want and ultimately need it to be in order to make my driving experience satisfactory once again.

This is where the Bears are currently at, even with an offensive explosion that's seen them score at least 30 points in each of the last three games.

On Sunday versus the Minnesota Vikings, Trubisky threw for 202 yards on 9.6 yards per attempt with one touchdown and one interception. On paper, that appears to be a solid, efficient day. Maybe we're finally seeing some significant growth from Trubisky, who will soon be entering his fifth season. When you look at his performance more closely, however, the less impressed you'll be with the results.

Out of 26 dropbacks, 18 came on play-action or designed roll-outs meant to move the pocket, cut the field in half, and give Trubisky easily defined reads to process while his receivers were schemed open. Trubisky's numbers on these designed, relatively easy completions were, as one would expect, pretty good. On these plays, Trubisky went 11 0f 14 for 144 yards and one touchdown for a passer rating of 133.33 while taking a sack and scrambling for 18 yards on the ground.

Trubisky's numbers on the other eight dropbacks were less than inspiring. For these, Trubisky finished the day completing four of seven passes for 58 yards with an interception to give him a 44.64 passer rating.

The interception, in particular, was the most telling moment for Trubisky and another example of why the Bears have had to go with such a simplified, albeit effective, approach on offense over the past four weeks.

On third and goal with just over three minutes left to play in the fourth quarter, the Bears were looking to extend their 30-27 lead. With a spread formation before the snap, the Bears' coaching staff put their trust in Trubisky to either score a victory-sealing touchdown or make a smart decision so that they could kick the chip-in field goal. That didn't work out too well for them as Trubisky made a blunder that has been far too regular for a player at this stage of his career.

With his first read covered, Trubisky panicked. Instead of extending the play to try to put the defense in a bind or just simply throw the ball away, Trubisky did the one thing he absolutely couldn't do in that situation. Trubisky threw the ball up for grabs in the back of the endzone for an easy interception, giving the Vikings the ball with a chance to drive down the field and win the game.

This is who Trubisky is. An athletic player who, if given simple reads to execute off of play-action and on the run, can make some nice plays here and there throughout the course of a game. Unfortunately, Trubisky simply can't process the field or be trusted to make good decisions on a consistent enough basis when forced out of his comfort zone to be considered a long-term starting quarterback in the NFL.

https://247sports.com/nfl/chicago-bears/Article/The-Chicago-Bears-shouldnt-consider-re-signing-Mitch-Trubisky-157625309/

There are certainly those that strongly are against Mitch still!!!

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Sluggobear wrote:

If Mitch continues to play well the last two games, why not sign him to a prove it deal. His play has been up and down to justify not giving him a long term deal. However, Mitch has outplayed Foles for the starting job and Foles would still be starting if he did not get injured. Unfortunately, I'm not sure Mitch will sign if Nagy is the coach next year. Mitch has the right not to trust Nagy. After Foles was signed, it was evident Mitch would be replaced by Foles as soon as Nagy could justify the switch. If Foles had won the job to start the season, do you think Nagy would have benched Foles after winning two straight like Mitch. I think not. 

I hope both Pace and Nagy are sent packing. Pace because he has made more poor; choices, signings, contracts and selections than good ones, and caused a lot of damage to the team.

Nagy because he is in over his head, and will never admit it. His ego is his biggest enemy, He is not even aware he is inept. He lacks the skill sets, experience and knowledge to be a head coach. 

Bottom line: if Nagy is gone and Mitch is willing, yes by all means give the kid another chance, if he plays well the final two games.

 

I am still not ready to just throw in the towel. A big part is because I know that doing so ensures the Bears are again at least 2 seasons away from competing again, so I really really want the pieces they have right now to get it figured out.

And you cannot deny that there has not been growth. I cannot ague against the fact that it is not enough to be remotely comfortable feeling things will be ok. Everyone involved is still green and young. Nagy has shown some personal reflection though. Mitch does seem to have matured a lot, way more sure of himself. And if Mitch proves to be a viable starter than has Pace done that bad overall? One could easily argue he has made less mistakes as he goes.

So that is why I still am able to entertain the thought of another year with the same players. But I am in no way convinced it is the best move.

Train like you are 2nd, but play like you are 1st.

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Calbrooks wrote:

I am still not ready to just throw in the towel. A big part is because I know that doing so ensures the Bears are again at least 2 seasons away from competing again, so I really really want the pieces they have right now to get it figured out.

And you cannot deny that there has not been growth. I cannot ague against the fact that it is not enough to be remotely comfortable feeling things will be ok. Everyone involved is still green and young. Nagy has shown some personal reflection though. Mitch does seem to have matured a lot, way more sure of himself. And if Mitch proves to be a viable starter than has Pace done that bad overall? One could easily argue he has made less mistakes as he goes.

So that is why I still am able to entertain the thought of another year with the same players. But I am in no way convinced it is the best move.

This is how mediocre teams stay middle of the pack and mediocre... he's not a great QB and he will never be a great QB... accepting that and moving on is what this team needs.  The problem with this team is because they have missed out time and again on great QBs because the QB they have is servicable...

1983... there is a side universe where the Bears trade down with the Raiders and get howie long and select Dan Marino right in front of the Dolphins....

2004... there is a side universe where Jerry Angelo isn't a dope who still thinks he is a running back away from being a legit contender and selects the falling Aaron Rodgers over Cedric Benson... yeah Rex had flashes in the 3 games he was able to play in in 2002 and the three games he played in in 2003 but here is a guy who was slated to be the possible first overall selection falling to you for free... you select that QB 10 times out of 10 unless you have a solid starter and Green Bay did that even though they had a slightly past his prime Favre...

You keep drafting QBs until you have a franchise guy, no matter what... this league is a QB league and you need one to win a championship... without one you have to have an all-time great defense and have some luck to even get to the dance and then once you are there, you can still get beat by a great QB... see: 2006... imagine if it had been 3rd year QB Aaron Rodgers, instead of Grossman, leading the Bears onto the field in that super bowl... Peyton Manning retires with only one SB ring...

But all that said, Mitch isn't the guy and if they stand pat with him, your hopes of them contending any time soon will be gone... I wish they had lost those first three games and had blown up the roster before the trade deadline... they could have looked to offload some of the bigger contracts and maybe got a first round/second round combo for Mack or such... they need to revamp and it's going to be tougher because of the loss in salary cap... this team is on the verge of being rebuilt... just wish we could have gotten started now instead of in the off-season...

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BamaBear09 wrote:

 

Calbrooks wrote:

I am still not ready to just throw in the towel. A big part is because I know that doing so ensures the Bears are again at least 2 seasons away from competing again, so I really really want the pieces they have right now to get it figured out.

And you cannot deny that there has not been growth. I cannot ague against the fact that it is not enough to be remotely comfortable feeling things will be ok. Everyone involved is still green and young. Nagy has shown some personal reflection though. Mitch does seem to have matured a lot, way more sure of himself. And if Mitch proves to be a viable starter than has Pace done that bad overall? One could easily argue he has made less mistakes as he goes.

So that is why I still am able to entertain the thought of another year with the same players. But I am in no way convinced it is the best move.

This is how mediocre teams stay middle of the pack and mediocre... he's not a great QB and he will never be a great QB... accepting that and moving on is what this team needs.  The problem with this team is because they have missed out time and again on great QBs because the QB they have is servicable...

1983... there is a side universe where the Bears trade down with the Raiders and get howie long and select Dan Marino right in front of the Dolphins....

2004... there is a side universe where Jerry Angelo isn't a dope who still thinks he is a running back away from being a legit contender and selects the falling Aaron Rodgers over Cedric Benson... yeah Rex had flashes in the 3 games he was able to play in in 2002 and the three games he played in in 2003 but here is a guy who was slated to be the possible first overall selection falling to you for free... you select that QB 10 times out of 10 unless you have a solid starter and Green Bay did that even though they had a slightly past his prime Favre...

You keep drafting QBs until you have a franchise guy, no matter what... this league is a QB league and you need one to win a championship... without one you have to have an all-time great defense and have some luck to even get to the dance and then once you are there, you can still get beat by a great QB... see: 2006... imagine if it had been 3rd year QB Aaron Rodgers, instead of Grossman, leading the Bears onto the field in that super bowl... Peyton Manning retires with only one SB ring...

But all that said, Mitch isn't the guy and if they stand pat with him, your hopes of them contending any time soon will be gone... I wish they had lost those first three games and had blown up the roster before the trade deadline... they could have looked to offload some of the bigger contracts and maybe got a first round/second round combo for Mack or such... they need to revamp and it's going to be tougher because of the loss in salary cap... this team is on the verge of being rebuilt... just wish we could have gotten started now instead of in the off-season...

First off, good to see you Bama!!! I hope all is well with you.

To the point, I cannot argue with much of what you wrote. As Bears fans we have gotten desperate and are for the most part clueless or jaded on the right path regarding QBs. We have seen such horrid play over the years that we happily latch onto the first guy that shows a remote hint of talent. There lays the rub and the jest of my post, is Mitch just another mediocre QB many of us are clinging to while praying he turns out, or are we clueless to recognize he could actually be a QB we can win with?

Honestly, I do not know. I more often than not have fallen into both categories. I do know that playing to Mitch's strengths makes the offense around him better. I also know that true to his gunslinger mentality, there will be those plays that just piss a fan off.

Regardless I fully agree with one thing, and it is something Pace has failed at, you bring in new QBs every year. I don't care if you have Brady, Rodgers, or Brees under center, there is no excuse not to bring in at least one new promising QB every year.

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we will never win  with trubiski

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