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Can Nick Foles Change Matt Nagy into Doug Pederson?
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Based on what I have seen and heard from Nick Foles so far, a metamorphosis may be taking place. Listening to Foles' presser today, I get the distinct feeling he is trying to get Nagy to open up his ironclad grip on the playbook and playcalling. At one point today, he alluded to "other coaches" who let him call the plays when he felt he was on a roll and had the defense on its heels. This can only refer to Doug Pederson or John Defilipo. Certainly megalomaniac Chip Kelly would never have let him call plays, and neither would that weird OC in ST Louis.

If Nagy loosens the reigns and begins listening to Foles, he may have a chance to develop into a decent play caller. But based on games I have watched, he is not in the same league as Doug Pederson or Frank Reich. He claims he's listening to everyone around him, but on the field, I see no evidence of it. Foles animated exchange with Nagy last Thursday tells me we still have a "king has no clothes" situation. No one wants to confront Nagy on his self destructive play calling and game management tendencies. That he stopped a productive uptempo series to send in HIS play, tells me he feels like he must be at the center of the offense no matter how counter productive that may be.

Hopefully, Foles is the one who opens his eyes and makes Nagy realize he isn't the offensive genius he thinks he is, and 2018 was a fluke that took the league exactly one year to figure out. 

If you'll notice, it's been a long time since we've seen defensive players on offense, two QBs in the backfield and other gimic plays that worked in 2018. NAgy has been like a one hit wonder on the top 40 charts. If he wants to turn into a legit act with staying power, he better start listening to those around him, and that starts with the SB MVP.

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Re: Can Nick Foles Change Matt Nagy into Doug Pederson?
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From what I recall, Andy Reid took away Nagy's play calling role during the season in Nagy's last year with the Chiefs. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for an OC. IF Nagy can get the team into a rhythm for an entire game like they did on those 2nd quarter drives against the Bucs, maybe the team will start scoring more than 20 points. End-arounds, horrible bubble screens, etc. should be retired, few are fooled any more by them.

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Many of Nagy's gadget plays start sideways, and teams have learned how to easily defend them by aggressively attacking and staying in lanes. Since he has had to become a legit NFL OC, Nagy has mostly sucked. He may have surrounded himself with offensive minds, but I don't get the impression he listens to them. Maybe Foles will change all that.

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I mentioned this in the other Foles thread, more appropriate here though. I can easily see Chicago finally having a HC/QB duo that grows together. Foles is not quite as mobile as Nagy would like, but he fits the mold of what Nagy wants to do at QB pretty darn close. And Foles is smart, he will not hold the offense back at all mentally. His arm talent is solid enough, but certainly good enough to get the ball around. No plays are of the table there either.

Best of all, he has the experience to give Nagy feedback. to push back when he thinks Nagy is wrong. Or just share his own ideas. I could easily see Foles becoming and QB coach or even an OC if wanted to in retirement. He seems to have that sharp grasp of the game and solid attention to detail.

All that is to say that yes, I think that Foles might be the missing piece to finally turn Nagy into a good coach vs a promising coach. For the sack of all Bears fans, I hope to hell Chicago finally gets to see it happen.

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Based on Nagy's questionable play calling with Foles at the helm, I do not see any changes coming easily from Nagy. Nagy's play calling/game management has not changed with Foles. I would like to see Nagy turn over the offense to his OC, and focus on the entire team. Yesterday, Nagy made poor choices during critical times in the game. Specifically at the start and near the end of the game. Nagy continues to defend his decisions, which is not a good sign. The last two games could have easily flipped to the loss column. 

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Sluggobear wrote:

Based on Nagy's questionable play calling with Foles at the helm, I do not see any changes coming easily from Nagy. Nagy's play calling/game management has not changed with Foles. I would like to see Nagy turn over the offense to his OC, and focus on the entire team. Yesterday, Nagy made poor choices during critical times in the game. Specifically at the start and near the end of the game. Nagy continues to defend his decisions, which is not a good sign. The last two games could have easily flipped to the loss column. 

I have to agree. Watching each game closely, it appears that Nagy can't deal with success. Cole Kmet makes a great catch  for a TD and finally becomes a factor? Nagy's answer is to limit his plays and take him out of the game as a pass catcher. Jimmy Graham is your best red zone threat? Take him out in the red zone. The short passing game is working? Start running the ball and throwing medium deep passes. The hurry up is working? Call for a huddle and let the defense sub for their winded personnel.

This is the kind of stuff you would think he would have grown out of with the benefit of almost 3 years of calling plays (including KC) but it appears he hasn't.

I don't know what the solution is, but I would be all in favor of handing the play calling duties to Lazer. Nagy has proven himself to be a decent head coach. He has the best w/l record since Lovie, and he does get these guys motivated. Maybe if he focused solely on that stuff, the bears offense would imrpove. It's worth a shot.

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