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The Bears miss Goldman against the run. 

Hicks and Mack can’t get to the QB by themselves. Someone has to step up and be the third wheel.

Eddie Jackson and Kyle Fuller team up at the right moment to give the team the spark they needed.

The first three quarters had to have Foles salivating. Mitch had a great 4th quarter to dash his hopes.

Jaylon Johnson would love to take back getting trucked, but finished strong batting away the Lions hopes at the end of the game. Overall not bad for the rookies first game. 

Graham is getting old. He proved it when he skipped “dunking” the ball over the goal post after his TD. Kmet needs to quickly take the starter reigns. 

Nagy stuck with the run, and the RBs had success. OLine opened some nice holes up the middle.

Montgomery looks like he is ready to beat defenses into submission. 

OLine played ok. If that’s as bad as it gets we can scratch that worry off the list.

Bears defense surrendered 426 yards, they have to do better. 

Who the hell thinks head butting a ref is ever going to turn out well?

Trubisky had a great 4th quarter, he also looked like a backup for three quarters previous to it. So, still week to week there...

Nagy successfully got Patterson multiple touches, and Patterson made them count. Four runs for 19 yards, one 12-yard pass, and a 45 yard kickoff at a great time. 

Thank god the Lions turned to a rookie running back, D'Andre Swift, to make the game winning touchdown catch. No WR would ever be able to live that drop down.

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Not living in Chicago, the local network didn't show the game so I didn't suffer as much with the first 3 quarters. Minimal training camp and no pre-season, a rough first game. The D settled down after a while but got bam handled too much. The running game did a decent job. Still what I would consider a minimal use of the TEs. I'll take a win but not too many teams except the Loins cough up leads like they had.

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Not living in Chicago, the local network didn't show the game so I didn't suffer as much with the first 3 quarters. Minimal training camp and no pre-season, a rough first game. The D settled down after a while but got handled too much. The running game did a decent job. Still what I would consider a minimal use of the TEs. I'll take a win but not too many teams except the Loins cough up leads like they had.

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Those first three quarters were brutal. Mitch looked every bit the QB disaster from 2019. All the hype about him settling in the pocket and staying calm was BS. Every time he tried to scramble out of the pocket, the Lions were there to contain and or sack and or strip-sack him. Mitch's throws were all off target. Behind the WR, over their heads, or at their feet. I do not think I saw a WR catch a pass in stride all game until the last throw to Miller with 2:00 left in the game.

I went to bed knowing that the media was going to give Mitch all the credit for the win though. When he was the reason they were so far behind in the game. 5 Trips to the redzone and they got 6 lousy points. First possession was a 3 and out, so much for starting fast.

I will give credit to the coaching staff though. They stuck with the run and the backs wore down Detroit defense. The O-Line played good. Good, not great, but if we can get that much out of them all season, they will no longer be a trouble spot. Jimmy Graham still is not good at blocking. That was his weak spot when player for the Saints. Kmet needs to take over that starting spot sooner rather than later. Like we all said in the of season, that much money for an old Jimmy is just not a good return on investment.

On the defensive side of the ball, I was impressed with Jaylon Johnson. He looks the part and plays like a 33 should. He did get trucked once, but we will call that his welcome to the NFL moment.

Quinn has to get on the field. Now I know why Barkevious Mingo has not stuck anywhere. His pass rush looks just like Floyd. For a moment I thought Floyd was back! Mack and Hicks can't do it alone, though Bilal looked good play nose.

Wasn't a whole lot of flags, so the refs were not an issue.

Bears can grateful they were playing the Lions. Patricia's team coughed up another loss from a sure win. They are famous for 4th quarter collapses.

In the end, a win is a win. There was promise of good things, like the run game, but there is still the lack of good QB pay for 4 quarters.

Charles Leno, Jr. and Cody Whitehair are SOLID!

2021 is the year the Bears put it all together! (2020 is a scrub)

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I thought Danny T looked a step slow in his coverage responsibilities.

Special teams didn't stand out in a bad way....was surprised Santos had as many touchbacks on his kickoffs, was worried he would always be short of putting it in the end zone.

Need to call more plays getting the TEs involved, coarse maybe Nagy did call them, but Biscuit didn't make the correct read.

Biscuit just can't seem to be consistent on hitting receivers in stride, it's more than frustrating  as long as this has gone on.

Matt Nagy: "I know we need to run the ball more. I'm not an idiot."

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Corn Cob wrote:

I thought Danny T looked a step slow in his coverage responsibilities.

Special teams didn't stand out in a bad way....was surprised Santos had as many touchbacks on his kickoffs, was worried he would always be short of putting it in the end zone.

Need to call more plays getting the TEs involved, coarse maybe Nagy did call them, but Biscuit didn't make the correct read.

Biscuit just can't seem to be consistent on hitting receivers in stride, it's more than frustrating  as long as this has gone on.

Defense needs to stop the run.

Charles Leno, Jr. and Cody Whitehair are SOLID!

2021 is the year the Bears put it all together! (2020 is a scrub)

Go Bears!

 

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Jenkins should be playing in the middle. We need a bigger body there. You could see the rust and nerves by some players. Lets see how week two goes.

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*****

2. One thing Matt Nagy has talked about consistently since the end of last season and through the days leading up to the opener was his goal to develop an identity for the offense.

The Bears never found one in 2019, and it showed from start to finish. We won’t know what this team is on offense through one or two games, and it might take four to six games to get a good feel for what it has across the board.

But one thing I paid close attention to was the personnel groupings the Bears used on offense as they strive to be more unpredictable. I know that is something quarterback Mitch Trubisky has talked about, and it’s a goal for Nagy as well. That had to be something the team had in mind as it revamped the tight ends group.

The Bears offense ran predominantly out of 11 personnel — one running back, one tight end and three wide receivers — last season. They were in that formation for 59.3% of their offensive plays. That was just a tick above the league average. However, the Bears ran only 137 plays with two or more tight ends, according to Football Outsiders. Only the Chargers ran fewer with 111.

Enter Jimmy Graham, Cole Kmet and Demetrius Harris, and welcome back, J.P. Holtz. The balance Nagy used in the opener definitely stood out. The Bears ran 65 offensive plays, and 34 were out of 11 personnel, a number that increased during the fourth-quarter rally. Eleven of the final 12 offensive plays were out of 11 personnel when the Bears were in pretty much passing-only mode.

Take away those final 12 snaps over the last three possessions, and of the first 53 offensive plays, the Bears employed two or three tight ends for 25 plays (47.2%). That’s a huge schematic shift for Nagy and the offense, which was in two or more tight ends only 13.4% of the time last season.

The tight ends produced only Graham’s three catches for 25 yards, one of them a 2-yard touchdown over a helpless defensive back and another a really nice 16-yard gain to the 1-yard line after Trubisky slickly avoided edge pressure to make what he referred to as a “recess” play. Graham lamented poorly timed jumps on two misses; he was targeted seven times, and Kmet and Harris were each targeted once.

“I’ve got to make those plays,” Graham said. “And I will moving forward, I will guarantee that. I hold myself in such a high standard, I’m kind of beating myself up about it because if I make those ... I’ve got to lead my room and make sure I hold myself accountable, which I will (Monday) and Tuesday moving on to the next game.”

The receiving numbers should improve for the tight ends. The big difference is the Bears have tight ends they can put on the field to diversify what they want to do and add balance. Getting anything from the tight ends was going to be nice. Getting more than that changes the complexion of things.

Here’s my breakdown of what they did with multiple tight ends in those first 53 plays:

12 personnel: 12 snaps. Nine runs for 58 yards. Trubisky 2-for-3 passing for 21 yards, including the 2-yard touchdown to Graham.

13 personnel: 11 snaps. Five runs for 15 yards. Trubisky 2-for-6 passing for 31 yards. The Bears went heavy play-action when they threw out of 13 personnel, which is to be expected, and the timing for some of that should improve.

0 running backs, 2 wide receivers, 3 tight ends: Trubisky 1-for-1 passing for 12 yards.

22 personnel: One run for 3 yards.

“I know we didn’t have a lot of production today from our tight ends, but that’s zero concern,” Nagy said. “I know what they can do. But you know what is important is I felt like a big reason, along with our O-line, is that we got our run game going with those tight ends. That is so huge. I don’t want to discredit anything that they did.

"And you saw, too, the touchdown by Jimmy. That may seem elementary, that throw and catch, but that’s a big-time touchdown in that situation. So we’re only going to get better, production-wise, in the passing game with those guys. It’s just going to take a little bit of time as we work through schematically what we like doing.”

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I still feel the play of the TEs is critical to this offense. What was the biggest chnge between 2018 and 2019, the play of the TEs. Every aspect of what Nagy wants to do depends on the TEs. I hope that these guys continue to get into a bit of a groove.

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Calbrooks wrote:

*****

2. One thing Matt Nagy has talked about consistently since the end of last season and through the days leading up to the opener was his goal to develop an identity for the offense.

The Bears never found one in 2019, and it showed from start to finish. We won’t know what this team is on offense through one or two games, and it might take four to six games to get a good feel for what it has across the board.

But one thing I paid close attention to was the personnel groupings the Bears used on offense as they strive to be more unpredictable. I know that is something quarterback Mitch Trubisky has talked about, and it’s a goal for Nagy as well. That had to be something the team had in mind as it revamped the tight ends group.

The Bears offense ran predominantly out of 11 personnel — one running back, one tight end and three wide receivers — last season. They were in that formation for 59.3% of their offensive plays. That was just a tick above the league average. However, the Bears ran only 137 plays with two or more tight ends, according to Football Outsiders. Only the Chargers ran fewer with 111.

Enter Jimmy Graham, Cole Kmet and Demetrius Harris, and welcome back, J.P. Holtz. The balance Nagy used in the opener definitely stood out. The Bears ran 65 offensive plays, and 34 were out of 11 personnel, a number that increased during the fourth-quarter rally. Eleven of the final 12 offensive plays were out of 11 personnel when the Bears were in pretty much passing-only mode.

Take away those final 12 snaps over the last three possessions, and of the first 53 offensive plays, the Bears employed two or three tight ends for 25 plays (47.2%). That’s a huge schematic shift for Nagy and the offense, which was in two or more tight ends only 13.4% of the time last season.

The tight ends produced only Graham’s three catches for 25 yards, one of them a 2-yard touchdown over a helpless defensive back and another a really nice 16-yard gain to the 1-yard line after Trubisky slickly avoided edge pressure to make what he referred to as a “recess” play. Graham lamented poorly timed jumps on two misses; he was targeted seven times, and Kmet and Harris were each targeted once.

“I’ve got to make those plays,” Graham said. “And I will moving forward, I will guarantee that. I hold myself in such a high standard, I’m kind of beating myself up about it because if I make those ... I’ve got to lead my room and make sure I hold myself accountable, which I will (Monday) and Tuesday moving on to the next game.”

The receiving numbers should improve for the tight ends. The big difference is the Bears have tight ends they can put on the field to diversify what they want to do and add balance. Getting anything from the tight ends was going to be nice. Getting more than that changes the complexion of things.

Here’s my breakdown of what they did with multiple tight ends in those first 53 plays:

12 personnel: 12 snaps. Nine runs for 58 yards. Trubisky 2-for-3 passing for 21 yards, including the 2-yard touchdown to Graham.

13 personnel: 11 snaps. Five runs for 15 yards. Trubisky 2-for-6 passing for 31 yards. The Bears went heavy play-action when they threw out of 13 personnel, which is to be expected, and the timing for some of that should improve.

0 running backs, 2 wide receivers, 3 tight ends: Trubisky 1-for-1 passing for 12 yards.

22 personnel: One run for 3 yards.

“I know we didn’t have a lot of production today from our tight ends, but that’s zero concern,” Nagy said. “I know what they can do. But you know what is important is I felt like a big reason, along with our O-line, is that we got our run game going with those tight ends. That is so huge. I don’t want to discredit anything that they did.

"And you saw, too, the touchdown by Jimmy. That may seem elementary, that throw and catch, but that’s a big-time touchdown in that situation. So we’re only going to get better, production-wise, in the passing game with those guys. It’s just going to take a little bit of time as we work through schematically what we like doing.”

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/brad-biggs-e2-80-99-10-thoughts-on-the-bears-e2-80-99-27-23-win-over-the-lions/ar-BB190Zya

I still feel the play of the TEs is critical to this offense. What was the biggest chnge between 2018 and 2019, the play of the TEs. Every aspect of what Nagy wants to do depends on the TEs. I hope that these guys continue to get into a bit of a groove.

I agree with that completely. The TEs are crucial. The QB whether it is Mitch or Nick have to make good throws. Mitch is still way too inaccurate in his throws. They are not on point and are off target. Reminds me a lot of my High School QB, always threw behind us, setting us up to be killed over the middle. I once punch him in the face after a game for doing it all game long. We got to the point of not adjusting to throws behind us. Better to lose the game than to get a concussion or worse. (We called it getting your bell rung)

Charles Leno, Jr. and Cody Whitehair are SOLID!

2021 is the year the Bears put it all together! (2020 is a scrub)

Go Bears!

 

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I think I read somewhere that Bisquit throwing 3 TD passes in the Bears' first game of the year is the only time a Bears QB has done that in their 100 year history.

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