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Seriously?  3rd and 40?

That pretty much sums up the absolutely pathetic performance on display last night by Nagy and the Bears offense.  3rd and 40. The level of disappointment I feel in coach Nagy specifically right now is almost too much to put into words.

From beginning to end Nagy's offense was so pathetically slow to get the plays in and get in and out of the huddle that they never had more than 15 secs left on the play clock once lined up.  They barely had time to run each play much less change it if needed. I would comment on the run game if there had been one.  There literally wasn't..........

 

Pagano and the entire defense get an A- from me, they played great and the level of effort was there to the bitter end.  It is worthy of noting that the Defense gave up only seven more yards (47) rushing the entire game than the Bears offense gave up on that one single series that resulted in 3rd and 40.

Nagy and the overall offense get an F

 

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Although the focus will be on Biscuit, only one individual (Robinson) was able to overcome the real issue with the offenses poor showing...........Nagy's play calling and overall offensive stratagy was horrible. 

Personally I don't think it was about individuals playing poorly and I don't think green bay's defense played all that great although they did play well.  It just came down to Matt Nagy.

The statistics are eye popping! In one stretch Nagy ran thirty-three straight passes. Their last run came with 10:31 left to go in the 3rd quarter with the Bears only down 7 to 3. Now some of their total 53 drop backs we’re likely run pass options but with no time to adjust at the line of scrimmage my guess is Biscuit simply ran option one in confusion and haste every damn play. Thirty-two drop backs to three runs in the entire second half of a one score game is mind boggling.

This team went 6-2 last year when they topped 30 rushing attempts, with both of those losses coming in overtime.  In a game where the difference in score was never more than 7 Nagy called 45 passes to 12 runs and spread those runs out over three RBs not one of which was named Cohen, our most experienced RB in this offense.

“We just couldn’t get in a rhythm; it’s as simple as that,” Nagy said. “We had a third-and-40 at one point. I don’t have a play call for third-and-40."

When virtually every play in the play book involves shifting and motion the team needs to be at the line of scrimmage by around 15 seconds, NOT just breaking the huddle.  When you are rotating RBs and WRs in and out and not getting out of the huddle within a reasonable amount of time rythm is exactly what you cannot get into here:

1- with less then 15 seconds your QB has no chance to change the play if there is an option for change, there is barely enough time to run the motion/shift the play requires before the snap.

2- With no time left after the motion/shift the play requires before the snap, your center has no time to read the defenses adjustment to that shift and call his O line adjustments.

3- number two above leads to the O line flailing, they were flagged four times, gave up 5 sacks, Biscuit was also hit 6 times, and was forced into three scrambles. 

4- of course one and two above lead to the 2 delay of game penalties, both of which are on Nagy.  One of which directly contributed to 3rd and 40.

It really came down to this imo.

 

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Last but not least was Nagy's inability to identify and adjust to what the packers defense was doing to stop him.

The packers abandoned their traditional base defense and ran nickle and dime pretty much exclusively.  From the first play of the game the packers lined up in nickle. The Bears had no receivers, none.  It was a 3 back two TE set.  Although that play resulted in a fumble a straight up run vs that defense is to the advantage.  Nagy did not counter this by running the ball more and bringing in a heavier package more.  He essentially abandoned the run after that first play.

When a defense does not need to respect the run you are in trouble, but when when a defense can defend the run without even having to fully commit to it by loading the box, the offense is in beat.

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3rd and 40 started as 1st and 10. Then was 1st and 20. Then it was 1st and 30. Then it was 1st and 40.

Train like you are 2nd, but play like you are 1st.

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My two cents. Last night serves notice that the Bears have a lot of work to do on the offensive side of the ball. Mtich still gets rattled and made some poor choices. The tight ends were non-existent. Adam S. and Ben B.were no way engaged in the offensive. If Burton can't  go this next game, put him on IR subject to recall, and bring up Jesper H. I for one am concerned about Burton ever panning out. I hope I'm wrong. I would start Montgomery period and spell occasionaly, we don't need a three headed monster. Cohen was not used to play to his strength's. Offensive line play was very poor most of the night. Running plays were getting stuffed at the LOS. ARob looked expecially good. He was one of the few bright spots on offense. Where was Miller? The defense did really good job against a quality team. They shut down the run and had plenty of sacks. Players who were not visible during game were Coraarelle P., Javon W. Danny T.,Eddie J.. Players with a good game Akiem H., Eddie G., Ray R-H., Roquan S., Leonard F., and Aaron L. ASfter this embarrasment, I do believe the Bears will come together as a team.

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Sluggobear wrote:

My two cents. Last night serves notice that the Bears have a lot of work to do on the offensive side of the ball. Mtich still gets rattled and made some poor choices. The tight ends were non-existent. Adam S. and Ben B.were no way engaged in the offensive. If Burton can't  go this next game, put him on IR subject to recall, and bring up Jesper H. I for one am concerned about Burton ever panning out. I hope I'm wrong. I would start Montgomery period and spell occasionaly, we don't need a three headed monster. Cohen was not used to play to his strength's. Offensive line play was very poor most of the night. Running plays were getting stuffed at the LOS. ARob looked expecially good. He was one of the few bright spots on offense. Where was Miller? The defense did really good job against a quality team. They shut down the run and had plenty of sacks. Players who were not visible during game were Coraarelle P., Javon W. Danny T.,Eddie J.. Players with a good game Akiem H., Eddie G., Ray R-H., Roquan S., Leonard F., and Aaron L. ASfter this embarrasment, I do believe the Bears will come together as a team.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts. Especially on RB. Montgomery needs to be the lead back with Davis spelling him when needed, or maybe in games we have fairly under control. And if Pace does not give Nagy a reliable starting TE this offense is doomed. 

Train like you are 2nd, but play like you are 1st.

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Is Matt Nagy just too big for his own britches?

He tries to upend tradition, just to upend tradition.

Sitting his O starters all through the Pre season came back to bite them in the ass.

For me, Strike one against Nagy was from 2018. He never found a way to properly utilize Howard. His offense was pass happy all year. When they did run the ball it was always either misdirection or a trick play.

Strike two for me is from 2019. Sitting your starters all pre-season and then comnig out flat week one with way too many penalties. Pre-Season is for working through those issues. Week three is a dress rehersal for the starters for a very damn good reason. They need the live hits against a real opponent.

One more huge failing by Nagy and I will be jumping off this bandwagon. You Homers can go on sucking up all the bullshit he spouts. But this Bears fan is done with the Koolaid.

The Defense played well enough for a victory......Nagy is the cause of this loss.

Nagy is quickly going from being the next McVay to becoming the next Chip Kelly.....

Having a lot of tools does not make you a Carpenter.  -Vic Fangio

 

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The Shadow wrote:

Is Matt Nagy just too big for his own britches?

He tries to upend tradition, just to upend tradition.

Sitting his O starters all through the Pre season came back to bite them in the ass.

For me, Strike one against Nagy was from 2018. He never found a way to properly utilize Howard. His offense was pass happy all year. When they did run the ball it was always either misdirection or a trick play.

Strike two for me is from 2019. Sitting your starters all pre-season and then comnig out flat week one with way too many penalties. Pre-Season is for working through those issues. Week three is a dress rehersal for the starters for a very damn good reason. They need the live hits against a real opponent.

One more huge failing by Nagy and I will be jumping off this bandwagon. You Homers can go on sucking up all the bullshit he spouts. But this Bears fan is done with the Koolaid.

The Defense played well enough for a victory......Nagy is the cause of this loss.

Nagy is quickly going from being the next McVay to becoming the next Chip Kelly.....

Anything less than another playoff appearance is failure. This team should be competing for a SB appearance. If it isn’t, there is only one person to blame. 

Train like you are 2nd, but play like you are 1st.

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Poll of the Day: Where should the blame go for the week one disaster?

Where do you place blame for the week one Chicago Bears’ offensive disaster?

65% - Matt Nagy

(879 votes)

21% - Mitchell Trubisky

(280 votes)

10% - Offensive line

(131 votes)

5% - It was a fluke!

(66 votes)

 

1356 votes total

https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2019/9/9/20857949/chicago-bears-poll-of-the-day-where-should-the-blame-go-disaster-matt-nagy-mitchell-trubisky

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