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What do you think will be the best position battle in training camp?
Dan R.
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Larry Mayer- The Bears are deep at receiver and the competition for reps will be intense in training camp and the preseason. But three or four of the wideouts will likely become regular contributors on offense. In terms of a position where only one player is on the field, I’d say that the battle for the nickel back job between veteran Buster Skrine and rookie sixth-round draft pick Duke Shelley will be an intriguing one to watch when the pads come on in Bourbonnais. Both players have impressed me with their tight coverage and ability to break up passes in OTA practices.

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I know this is the battle I wil be watching closely. As Shelley is my Pet Cat, I will be pulling for him to win this battle, straight up. Duke vs. Buster, sounds like a 1980's boxing card!

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There are quite a few I think will be very interesting, and important.  Right now I have them in the following order:

1) Place Kicker: No need to explain really, this has been high drama and I'm sure it will continue to be headline news up to and through to the bitter end.  can't even stress enough the importance of them getting this right.

2) Inside LB: I have no doubt both Trev and Smith will start, but I am on pins and needles to see if Smith trades places with him and assumes full control of this D, getting the plays called and making the adjustments.

3) WR: Things get damn interesting down the depth chart a bit past the top 3, and with Patterson in the mix, Wims, and a very talented and deep group behind them I honestly have no clue who will be left standing when it's all said and done.  I can venture a guess it won't be Mizzel though.

4) RB: Cohen is actually the most senior 'Bears' RB.  That is just hard to wrap my brain around.  No one else in that room has ever even played a regular season game in a Bears uniform. (4b) FB: Nall? I really don't know what to expect here.

5) Nickle CB: What Shad said......... Although I really think Skrine is the front runner and it would be very surprising if Shelley beat him out. 

6) TE: I'm really just watching Shaheen at this point, even if healthy can he hold on to his spot?  I don't think its a given to be honest and with only one blocking TE in the group, a guy that has never played the position, this room is not as solid as I would like it to be.  Burton is safe as long as he is healthy but even that spot has question marks all over it and if he can't go what exactly does that line up look like?

7) Kick and Punt Returns: Not so sure Cohen even ends up in this group with all the available options now. 

 

 

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PapaBear.OR wrote:

There are quite a few I think will be very interesting, and important.  Right now I have them in the following order:

1) Place Kicker: No need to explain really, this has been high drama and I'm sure it will continue to be headline news up to and through to the bitter end.  can't even stress enough the importance of them getting this right.

2) Inside LB: I have no doubt both Trev and Smith will start, but I am on pins and needles to see if Smith trades places with him and assumes full control of this D, getting the plays called and making the adjustments. I think Trevathan may get some serious competition from Joel Ieyebuniwe and not just from Roquan. Ro will most likely become the top ILB.

3) WR: Things get damn interesting down the depth chart a bit past the top 3, and with Patterson in the mix, Wims, and a very talented and deep group behind them I honestly have no clue who will be left standing when it's all said and done.  I can venture a guess it won't be Mizzel though- Wr receiver is gonna be a good fight. I see Crdarrelle as a KR/Gimmick player on this roster. Bears are looking to stash Mizzell on the PS again. Make him a WR so he flies under the radar.

4) RB: Cohen is actually the most senior 'Bears' RB.  That is just hard to wrap my brain around.  No one else in that room has ever even played a regular season game in a Bears uniform. (4b) FB: Nall? I really don't know what to expect here. The only fight here is for the pirmary back position.

5) Nickle CB: What Shad said......... Although I really think Skrine is the front runner and it would be very surprising if Shelley beat him out. 

6) TE: I'm really just watching Shaheen at this point, even if healthy can he hold on to his spot?  I don't think its a given to be honest and with only one blocking TE in the group, a guy that has never played the position, this room is not as solid as I would like it to be.  Burton is safe as long as he is healthy but even that spot has question marks all over it and if he can't go what exactly does that line up look like?

7) Kick and Punt Returns: Not so sure Cohen even ends up in this group with all the available options now. This is a no brainer, Patterson KR and Eddie as the PR. Cohen was okay last year at PR, but...if he gets a heavier load at RB, PR may be asking too much. Plus he a few hickups at PR last year anyway.

 

 

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Crazy as it seems, but Gabrial might be pushed out. If several of the new guys excel, I could see Gabrial becoming trade bait. It's not highly likely, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

Train like you are 2nd, but play like you are 1st.

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The Shadow wrote:

 

PapaBear.OR wrote:

There are quite a few I think will be very interesting, and important.  Right now I have them in the following order:

2) Inside LB: I think Trevathan may get some serious competition from Joel Ieyebuniwe and not just from Roquan. Ro will most likely become the top ILB.

3) WR:  Wr receiver is gonna be a good fight. I see Crdarrelle as a KR/Gimmick player on this roster. Bears are looking to stash Mizzell on the PS again. Make him a WR so he flies under the radar.

4) RB:  The only fight here is for the pirmary back position.

7) Kick and Punt Returns: This is a no brainer, Patterson KR and Eddie as the PR. Cohen was okay last year at PR, but...if he gets a heavier load at RB, PR may be asking too much. Plus he a few hickups at PR last year anyway.

2) Agreed, although my gut tells me Trev is just too savy a vet for Joal to overcome. I think the real battle is between Smith and Trev for that top spot and I don't think Trev gives it up without a hell of a fight.

3) I think Mizzell gets cut.

4) I'm not so sure, Patterson could play in this mix as a RB on the roster to make room for one more WR, Cohen isn't going anywhere, and the man from Seattle is fighting for his life sooooo........

7) Not so sure here either, again the Patterson factor as you noted and I gotta believe Eddie is now just to damn valuable at his primary position to want to risk in the return game unless no one else is even close.  Same goes for Cohen, which is why I think there is going to be open competition here at both positions with speedy new UDFA's scratching away at it too just to get a spot on the roster.

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Calbrooks wrote:

Crazy as it seems, but Gabrial might be pushed out. If several of the new guys excel, I could see Gabrial becoming trade bait. It's not highly likely, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

The only way I see Gabrial moving is from two to three beat out by Miller.  I agree the competition will be fierce though.  Gabrial is just too good imo.  I think Miller will be hard pressed to move ahead of him.  My money is on Gabrial to stay right where he is at and look even better this year.

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PapaBear.OR wrote:

 

Calbrooks wrote:

Crazy as it seems, but Gabrial might be pushed out. If several of the new guys excel, I could see Gabrial becoming trade bait. It's not highly likely, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

The only way I see Gabrial moving is from two to three beat out by Miller.  I agree the competition will be fierce though.  Gabrial is just too good imo.  I think Miller will be hard pressed to move ahead of him.  My money is on Gabrial to stay right where he is at and look even better this year.

If Gabrial continues to improve even from last year than I agree, he is not going anywhere. If he stays at last years production and some of the rookies look like winners, Pace might decide he is worth more in a trade while his value might be there. So I am not saying that he will be traded because he gets passed up, only that he might be traded because Pace feels the team is deep enough without him.

Saying all that, I do think it is a very remote possibility.

Train like you are 2nd, but play like you are 1st.

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Calbrooks wrote:

 

PapaBear.OR wrote:

 

Calbrooks wrote:

Crazy as it seems, but Gabrial might be pushed out. If several of the new guys excel, I could see Gabrial becoming trade bait. It's not highly likely, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

The only way I see Gabrial moving is from two to three beat out by Miller.  I agree the competition will be fierce though.  Gabrial is just too good imo.  I think Miller will be hard pressed to move ahead of him.  My money is on Gabrial to stay right where he is at and look even better this year.

If Gabrial continues to improve even from last year than I agree, he is not going anywhere. If he stays at last years production and some of the rookies look like winners, Pace might decide he is worth more in a trade while his value might be there. So I am not saying that he will be traded because he gets passed up, only that he might be traded because Pace feels the team is deep enough without him.

Saying all that, I do think it is a very remote possibility.

Ok you are talking perhaps after this season........?  Not this season as a result of training camp battles right?

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PapaBear.OR wrote:

 

Calbrooks wrote:

 

PapaBear.OR wrote:

 

Calbrooks wrote:

Crazy as it seems, but Gabrial might be pushed out. If several of the new guys excel, I could see Gabrial becoming trade bait. It's not highly likely, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

The only way I see Gabrial moving is from two to three beat out by Miller.  I agree the competition will be fierce though.  Gabrial is just too good imo.  I think Miller will be hard pressed to move ahead of him.  My money is on Gabrial to stay right where he is at and look even better this year.

If Gabrial continues to improve even from last year than I agree, he is not going anywhere. If he stays at last years production and some of the rookies look like winners, Pace might decide he is worth more in a trade while his value might be there. So I am not saying that he will be traded because he gets passed up, only that he might be traded because Pace feels the team is deep enough without him.

Saying all that, I do think it is a very remote possibility.

Ok you are talking perhaps after this season........?  Not this season as a result of training camp battles right?

I am saying possibly around preseason. Especially if a team was to have an injury to a starter and get desperate. 

Train like you are 2nd, but play like you are 1st.

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Calbrooks wrote:

 

PapaBear.OR wrote:

 

Calbrooks wrote:

 

PapaBear.OR wrote:

 

Calbrooks wrote:

Crazy as it seems, but Gabrial might be pushed out. If several of the new guys excel, I could see Gabrial becoming trade bait. It's not highly likely, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

The only way I see Gabrial moving is from two to three beat out by Miller.  I agree the competition will be fierce though.  Gabrial is just too good imo.  I think Miller will be hard pressed to move ahead of him.  My money is on Gabrial to stay right where he is at and look even better this year.

If Gabrial continues to improve even from last year than I agree, he is not going anywhere. If he stays at last years production and some of the rookies look like winners, Pace might decide he is worth more in a trade while his value might be there. So I am not saying that he will be traded because he gets passed up, only that he might be traded because Pace feels the team is deep enough without him.

Saying all that, I do think it is a very remote possibility.

Ok you are talking perhaps after this season........?  Not this season as a result of training camp battles right?

I am saying possibly around preseason. Especially if a team was to have an injury to a starter and get desperate. 

Hmmm, I guess a remote possibility is fair.  He was our most clutch reciever last year though, at least it felt that way to me.  I would have to dig for stats to prove it but it just seemed to me that whenever we really needed it, he was the guy that snagged that tough catch to move the chains.  I'm really looking forward to seeing he and Mitch work together again with a full year behind them and a better understanding of the playbook and all. 

If something like that developed I would be uncomfortable with it and begin to worry about the way they are treating these guys.  First Howard, then something like that?  The whole family togetherness thing would begin to get really hard to sell if they just turnaround and start treating players like furniture out of the other corner of their mouths.

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PapaBear.OR wrote:

 

Calbrooks wrote:

 

PapaBear.OR wrote:

 

Calbrooks wrote:

 

PapaBear.OR wrote:

 

Calbrooks wrote:

Crazy as it seems, but Gabrial might be pushed out. If several of the new guys excel, I could see Gabrial becoming trade bait. It's not highly likely, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

The only way I see Gabrial moving is from two to three beat out by Miller.  I agree the competition will be fierce though.  Gabrial is just too good imo.  I think Miller will be hard pressed to move ahead of him.  My money is on Gabrial to stay right where he is at and look even better this year.

If Gabrial continues to improve even from last year than I agree, he is not going anywhere. If he stays at last years production and some of the rookies look like winners, Pace might decide he is worth more in a trade while his value might be there. So I am not saying that he will be traded because he gets passed up, only that he might be traded because Pace feels the team is deep enough without him.

Saying all that, I do think it is a very remote possibility.

Ok you are talking perhaps after this season........?  Not this season as a result of training camp battles right?

I am saying possibly around preseason. Especially if a team was to have an injury to a starter and get desperate. 

Hmmm, I guess a remote possibility is fair.  He was our most clutch reciever last year though, at least it felt that way to me.  I would have to dig for stats to prove it but it just seemed to me that whenever we really needed it, he was the guy that snagged that tough catch to move the chains.  I'm really looking forward to seeing he and Mitch work together again with a full year behind them and a better understanding of the playbook and all. 

If something like that developed I would be uncomfortable with it and begin to worry about the way they are treating these guys.  First Howard, then something like that?  The whole family togetherness thing would begin to get really hard to sell if they just turnaround and start treating players like furniture out of the other corner of their mouths.

Sounds like the Patriots. 

"Jay Cutler can throw a football and cut it through the elements as well as anyone out there. Arm talent immense, the upside you love it. The reason I'm critical is I wish I had it"-Trent Dilfer

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