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Missing picks no big deal considering what Bears got for them
Pretty good trade-off

By Arthur Arkush Shaw Media

As we endure the paraly-sis-by-analysis portion of the pre-draft process, here’s some perspective for Bears fans wondering what they’ll do next Thursday evening and the first part of Friday as other teams make draft picks.

Khalil Mack has averaged 10½ sacks and three forced fumbles annually over the first 5 years of his career, and crested both totals in a 2018 Bears debut exceeding most of our wildest imaginations, despite an ankle injury zapping his productivity for a quarter of the season.

Over the past 33 years, only six rookies have met or exceeded those averages:.......Only (two of those ) were drafted after the first part of Round 1. The first of two first-rounders Oakland commanded from the Bears for Mack is No. 24 overall.

Anthony Miller, whom the Bears moved back into Round 2 to pluck at No. 51 overall last year in exchange for their 2020 second-rounder, led the Bears with seven receiving touchdowns, despite battling a series of painful shoulder dislocations that required surgery after his rookie season.

Since the AFL-NFL merger in 1970, only 11 receivers selected after the 56th overall pick – which the Bears sent to New England for the right to draft Miller – have tallied more than seven receiving touchdowns.

here’s Bears general manager Ryan Pace in September explaining his trade rationale: “Again, I want to stress the importance. When we look at this next draft, our first-round pick is Khalil Mack, and our next-round pick is Anthony Miller, and the next draft we have two 2s. I’ll take that. We can do some damage there.”

Lest we forget the damage the Bears already have done.

.........when draft grades are assigned next week, remember the Bears’ relatively small class already is paying big-time dividends.

Or as the late, great Mac Miller once rapped, it’s already “given you something that your eyes can witness.”

https://www.saukvalley.com/2019/04/17/missing-picks-no-big-deal-considering-what-bears-got-for-them/auj5dj0/

The draft is almost here and I think Arkush makes a good point, it's easy to forget to keep everything in perspective.  Pace essentially used those missing picks already and they have already paid huge dividends and will continue to do so.  I'm not looking at this years one and two picks as "missing".  They've already been well spent.

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The Bears have been looking at a lot of RBs leading up to this draft.  Here are how the young men are currently sitting on most draft boards:

2019 NFL Draft: Ranking the running back class, from No. 1 to 41

1) Josh Jacobs, Alabama: The top running back in this class, Jacobs is a well-rounded player with a lot of experience on a big stage. Unlike Tide teammate Damien Harris, Jacobs didn't log a high amount of carries (251 over three seasons), so he should have plenty left in the tank upon entering the NFL. An explosive player with good vision, he can contribute in the rushing and passing attacks and as a returner. From what I've seen on tape, Jacobs has what it takes to be a three-down back at the next level. One weakness that could hinder him is his lack of long speed, especially against the NFL's athletic, fast defenders.

2) Damien Harris, Alabama: The pair of 'Bama backs bring a lot of the same attributes to the table. Like Jacobs, Harris is powerful with good vision and has the ability to help in the passing game. His size (5-foot-10, 216 pounds), every-down game and patience will bode well for him at the next level. Although he started ahead of Jacobs during much of their shared time in Tuscaloosa, Harris ranks No. 2 on my list because he has nearly twice as many carries coming into the NFL, which makes me wonder if he's already racked up too much mileage on the tires.

System players

3) David Montgomery, Iowa State: The Cyclones star forced 100 missed tackles in 2018 (most in the FBS), according to Pro Football Focus, and knows how to finish runs. He has a pro-ready game with good patience, vision and natural hands.

4) Miles Sanders, Penn State: He wasn't overworked at Penn State, seeing how he spent his first two years backing up 2018 Offensive Rookie of the Year Saquon Barkley. In his one season as the RB1, Sanders showed good contact balance and leg drive, the capacity to create with a variety of open-field moves and natural catching ability. He has all the tools to succeed at the next level, even if his explosiveness is a bit of a question.

5) Justice Hill, Oklahoma State: The 5-10, 198-pound back had an impressive combine performance, ranking first among all running backs in the 40-yard dash (4.40), as well as the broad (10 feet, 10 inches) and vertical (40 inches) jumps, before cutting his day short with a tweaked hamstring. His speed, shifty running style and natural catching ability should give him the opportunity to compete for a starting job.

6) Rodney Anderson, Oklahoma: The 6-foot, 224-pound back has a lot of qualities that scouts look for in potential draftees. Anderson is an explosive runner with good vision, contact balance and long speed. A natural receiver, he will be a pass-catching asset, too. He has great potential, BUT his injury history is very concerning. His 2015 and '18 seasons were cut short due to leg injuries, and he missed the entire 2016 season because of a neck injury.

7) Trayveon Williams, Texas A&M: Thanks to a breakout season as a junior, Williams shot up the charts. The film shows that this 5-8, 206-pound back has a lot of attributes that will translate to the next level, including sufficient pass blocking, great hands and ability to create and elude defenders in the screen game. Williams has proven that he can be productive against top-tier talent -- he was named a first-team All-SEC back last season -- but his size could deter teams from using him as a three-down back.

8) Devin Singletary, Florida Atlantic: Singletary is an undersized (5-7, 203 pounds), three-down running back who had a ton of production in college. He is a long strider with a great jump-cut and quick feet, although a poor combine performance, including a 4.66 40 time, could affect his stock. Singletary is a playmaker, no doubt, but the level of competition he faced at Florida Atlantic could also hurt his draft standing.

9) Darrell Henderson, Memphis: The AP first-team All-American is extremely explosive and great in the open field, averaging 8.9(!) yards per carry over his last 344 attempts. In 2018, he logged 43 carries of 15-plus yards and 11 total touchdowns of 54-plus. Not only is Henderson a home-run hitter in the run game, but he serves as a weapon that can be used in all aspects of the offense. His production is hard to ignore, and I'm eager to see how his game will translate against much better competition.

10) Bryce Love, Stanford: There's a reason Love was a 2017 Heisman Trophy finalist -- that season saw him log 2,118 rushing yards and 19 touchdowns. He is explosive and gets to top speed quickly. Alos, he can contribute in the pass game and as a returner. He's a tough back who is willing to play through the pain, but his durability is worrisome -- and he just suffered a torn ACL in December.

11) Ryquell Armstead, Temple:  He must continue to work on catching the ball out of the backfield and refining his moves in the open field.

12) LJ Scott, Michigan State: Although Scott never hit the 1,000-yard rushing mark as a Spartan, the 6-foot, 227-pound running back has a lot of potential. Scott doesn't have a second gear, but he's slippery with quick feet and great vision, and has a lot of patience -- think of fellow MSU product Le'Veon Bell -- when he gets the ball. He can also contribute in the pass game.

13) Jalin Moore, Appalachian State: His redshirt senior season was cut short by an ankle injury, but he is a proven blue-collar back who finishes runs, often falling forward at the point of contact.

14) Karan Higdon, Michigan: The Michigan product is a solid running back with good vision, feet and short-area quickness. Higdon is a consistent one-cut runner, but lacks elusiveness in the open field.

15) Mike Weber, Ohio State: Weber has speed and accelerates through any hole that has been paved by the O-line, but he struggles at times to follow his instincts and create on his own.

16) Myles Gaskin, Washington: Despite a smaller frame (5-9, 205), Gaskin was extremely productive at Washington, becoming the second player in FBS history with four seasons of 1,200-plus rushing yards. Gaskin is shifty, great in space and has proven he can be a major asset in the pass game. His college career was certainly impressive -- he rushed for over 5,300 yards and 57 TDs on 945 carries (5.6 ypc) -- but my worry is that Gaskin's mileage is far too high before entering the league.

17) Dexter Williams, Notre Dame: off-field concerns, as he was suspended (undisclosed reasons) for four games in 2018. On the field, though, he has potential to develop into a productive NFL back as a downhill runner who is tough to bring down.

18) James Williams, Washington State: He was excellent as a weapon out of the backfield in Mike Leach's Air Raid offense, with more yards receiving (613) than rushing (560) in 2018. Williams' quickness and shifty footwork make him tough to tackle in space and make me believe he could handle more complex routes in the passing game. The question I have is: Can he run through the tackles?

19) Tony Pollard, Memphis: One of college football's top return specialists over the last three seasons, Pollard is an offensive weapon rather than a true running back. Averaging a touchdown every 13.5 touches and 9.2 yards per touch, he could be utilized in certain packages as a gadget player in the NFL, much like Tavon Austin.

20) Benny Snell Jr., Kentucky: The Wildcats star is a downhill back who runs with attitude -- an athletic, throwback running back who earned every touchdown he got (48 in three seasons). His size (5-10, 224 pounds), toughness and nose for the end zone could play well in the NFL if he lands in the right system.

21) Darwin Thompson, Utah State:

22) Wes Hills, Slippery Rock: A LeGarrette Blount-type back, Hills has size (6-2, 218) and routinely falls forward due to his good footwork and acceleration at the point of contact.

Guys who need time to develop

23) Alex Barnes, Kansas State: The 6-foot, 226-pounder has a downhill running style, often falling forward at the point of contact, but lacks agility and goes down pretty easily. In the pass game, Barnes is good at picking up the blitz and could be a pass-catching option.

24) Elijah Holyfield, Georgia: The former Bulldog is very strong and physical with short-area quickness, but a poor combine performance caused his draft stock to fall. He was minimally used in the pass game at Georgia, so that's an area where he must improve as he transitions to the NFL.

25) Alexander Mattison, Boise State: Although he's a stiff runner with limited open-field moves, Mattison's exceptional hands in the pass game could give him a leg up on other prospects. The 5-11, 221-pound running back is a tough, physical workhorse who could earn carries with a good showing in offseason workouts, training camp and the preseason.

26) Travis Homer, Miami: Homer was an asset in both the run and pass games for the Hurricanes. The 5-10, 201-pound rusher has natural catching ability and excels in pass protection. His upright posture, stiffness and lack of elusiveness causes him to leave yards on the field.

27) Qadree Ollison, Pittsburgh:

28) Nick Brossette, LSU: A strong, patient runner and willing blocker, Brossette led LSU in rushing yards (1,039) in 2018 -- his only season with more than 20 carries. He protects the ball well, but doesn't have great burst. A big thing playing in Brossette's favor is that he played in a pro-style system in Baton Rouge.

29) Jordan Scarlett, Florida:

30) Bruce Anderson, North Dakota State:

31) Craig Reynolds, Kutztown (PA): Although Reynolds played at a small school, his skill set is impressive. He has good vision, excels when using the stiff arm and can contribute on special teams as a returner.

32) Devine Ozigbo, Nebraska: A physical, downhill runner, Ozigbo could be a bruiser for a team looking for a back to complement its quick, elusive types. He breaks tackles and has good vision, but he didn't consistently produce against good defenses in college. Against Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin and Iowa combined, Ozigbo had 41 carries for 170 yards.

33) Kerrith Whyte, Florida Atlantic: Despite playing behind Devin Singletary, Whyte strung together an impressive 2018 campaign with 10 trips to the end zone in 144 carries. He has straight-line speed (which is why, in part, he excels as a kick returner) but must improve lateral quickness and learn to break tackles.

34) Jacques Patrick, Florida State:

35) Ty Johnson, Maryland: Johnson has the skill set to not only contribute in the run game, but in the pass game and as a returner. He has good hands and decent vision, but lacks explosiveness and speed.

36) Aeris Williams, Mississippi State: Williams possesses ideal size (6-foot, 207 pounds), runs behind his pads and finishes at the point of contact. He needs to get better at creating and hitting holes before they close.

37) Jordan Ellis, Virginia:.

38) Taiwan Deal, Wisconsin:

39) Khari Blasingame, Vanderbilt:

40) Joe Conner, Concordia-Ann Arbor:

41) Alec Ingold, Wisconsin:

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001026023/article/2019-nfl-draft-ranking-the-running-back-class-from-no-1-to-41

 

Who do we like?

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These are the RBs I know of that have reportedly recieved private visits with the Bears:

 

Ryquell Armstead     Temple 
Myles Gaskin            Washington
Josh Jacobs              Alabama
Alexander Mattison  Boise State
Miles Sanders           Penn State
Devin Singletary       Florida Atlantic
Mike Weber               Ohio State
Trayveon Williams   Texas A&M 

EDIT: highlighted in list of all posted above

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NBC's most recent list of top 100 prospects lists the first RB at 35 and includes eight RBs ranked between 35 and 90 with the Bears first pick at 87.

35. Josh Jacobs, RB, Alabama                *****                 

36. Daniel Jones, QB, Duke                                      

37. Drew Lock, QB, Missouri                                          

38. Rock Ya-Sin, CB, Temple                                      

39. Darnell Savage, S, Maryland                                

40. Irv Smith, TE, Alabama                                         

41. Kaleb McGary, OT, Washington                                        

42. Nassir Adderley, FS, Delaware                                           

43. Chase Winovich, LB, Michigan                                           

44. Parris Campbell, WR, Ohio State                                       

45. Jaylon Ferguson, DE, La. Tech                                           

46. L.J Collier, DE, TCU                                 

47. Juan Thornhill, S, Virginia                                     

48. Mack Wilson, LB, Alabama                                  

49. Hakeem Butler, WR, Iowa State                                        

50. Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, S, Florida                                           

51. Miles Sanders, RB, Penn State      *****                                    

52. Oshane Ximines, DE, ODU                                   

53. Dre'Mont Jones, DE/DT, Ohio State                                 

54. Justin Layne, CB, Michigan State                                       

55. Connor McGovern, G, Penn State                                     

56. Riley Ridley, WR, Georgia                                    

57. Julian Love, CB, Notre Dame                              

58. Elgton Jenkins, C, Mississippi State                                   

59. Gerald Willis, DT, Miami                                       

60. Deionte Thompson, S, Alabama                                        

61. Ryan Finley, QB, NC State      

62. Trayvon Mullen, CB, Clemson                                            

63. David Montgomery, RB, Iowa State                                 

64. Darrell Henderson, RB, Memphis                                      

65. J.J. Arcega-Whiteside, WR, Stanford                                

66. Zach Allen, DE, Boston College                                          

67. Lonnie Johnson Jr., CB, Kentucky                                      

68. Damian Harris, RB, Alabama                               

69. Jachai Polite, LB, Florida                                      

70. Chuma Edoga, T, USC                                           

71. David Long, CB, Michigan                                    

72. Justice Hill, RB, Oklahoma State                                        

73. Amani Oruwariye, CB, Penn State                                     

74. Joe Jackson, DE, Miami                                        

75. Amani Hooker, S, Iowa                                         

76. Yodny Cajuste, T, West Virginia                                         

77. Kahale Warring, TE, San Diego State                                

78. Chuma Edoga, T, USC                                           

79. David Long, CB, Michigan                                    

80. Greg Little, T, Mississippi                                     

81. Trayveon Williams, RB, Texas A&M    *****                             

82. Charles Omenihu, DL, Texas                                

83. D'Andre Walker, LB, Georgia                              

84. Michael Jordan, G, Ohio State                                           

85. Dawson Knox, TE, Mississippi                                            

86. David Edwards, T, Wisconsin                              

87. Andy Isabella, WR, Umass                                   

88. Dru Samia, G, Oklahoma                                      

89. Christian Miller, LB, Alabama                              

90. Devin Singletary, RB, Florida Atlantic   *****  

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/2019-nfl-draft-updated-big-board-expands-100-nick-bosa-rises-above-all

***** Four of the eight are on the list that has had private visits with the Bears. Singletary and Williams of course within the closest range of the Bears first pick. 

Is there anyone there we like that is not a RB that would be considered BPA at 87?

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PapaBear.OR wrote:

NBC's most recent list of top 100 prospects lists the first RB at 35 and includes eight RBs ranked between 35 and 90 with the Bears first pick at 87.

35. Josh Jacobs, RB, Alabama                *****                 

36. Daniel Jones, QB, Duke                                      

37. Drew Lock, QB, Missouri                                          

38. Rock Ya-Sin, CB, Temple                                      

39. Darnell Savage, S, Maryland                                

40. Irv Smith, TE, Alabama                                         

41. Kaleb McGary, OT, Washington                                        

42. Nassir Adderley, FS, Delaware                                           

43. Chase Winovich, LB, Michigan                                           

44. Parris Campbell, WR, Ohio State                                       

45. Jaylon Ferguson, DE, La. Tech                                           

46. L.J Collier, DE, TCU                                 

47. Juan Thornhill, S, Virginia                                     

48. Mack Wilson, LB, Alabama                                  

49. Hakeem Butler, WR, Iowa State                                        

50. Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, S, Florida                                           

51. Miles Sanders, RB, Penn State      *****                                    

52. Oshane Ximines, DE, ODU                                   

53. Dre'Mont Jones, DE/DT, Ohio State                                 

54. Justin Layne, CB, Michigan State                                       

55. Connor McGovern, G, Penn State                                     

56. Riley Ridley, WR, Georgia                                    

57. Julian Love, CB, Notre Dame                              

58. Elgton Jenkins, C, Mississippi State                                   

59. Gerald Willis, DT, Miami                                       

60. Deionte Thompson, S, Alabama                                        

61. Ryan Finley, QB, NC State      

62. Trayvon Mullen, CB, Clemson                                            

63. David Montgomery, RB, Iowa State                                 

64. Darrell Henderson, RB, Memphis                                      

65. J.J. Arcega-Whiteside, WR, Stanford                                

66. Zach Allen, DE, Boston College                                          

67. Lonnie Johnson Jr., CB, Kentucky                                      

68. Damian Harris, RB, Alabama                               

69. Jachai Polite, LB, Florida                                      

70. Chuma Edoga, T, USC                                           

71. David Long, CB, Michigan                                    

72. Justice Hill, RB, Oklahoma State                                        

73. Amani Oruwariye, CB, Penn State                                     

74. Joe Jackson, DE, Miami                                        

75. Amani Hooker, S, Iowa                                         

76. Yodny Cajuste, T, West Virginia                                         

77. Kahale Warring, TE, San Diego State                                

78. Chuma Edoga, T, USC                                           

79. David Long, CB, Michigan                                    

80. Greg Little, T, Mississippi                                     

81. Trayveon Williams, RB, Texas A&M    *****                             

82. Charles Omenihu, DL, Texas                                

83. D'Andre Walker, LB, Georgia                              

84. Michael Jordan, G, Ohio State                                           

85. Dawson Knox, TE, Mississippi                                            

86. David Edwards, T, Wisconsin                              

87. Andy Isabella, WR, Umass                                   

88. Dru Samia, G, Oklahoma                                      

89. Christian Miller, LB, Alabama                              

90. Devin Singletary, RB, Florida Atlantic   *****  

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/2019-nfl-draft-updated-big-board-expands-100-nick-bosa-rises-above-all

***** Four of the eight are on the list that has had private visits with the Bears. Singletary and Williams of course within the closest range of the Bears first pick. 

Is there anyone there we like that is not a RB that would be considered BPA at 87?

If Amani Hooker is still there at 87, he deserves a look! He fits Pagano's type of secondary player!

.......................and he's an Iowa guy! LoL!

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PapaBear.OR wrote:

NBC's most recent list of top 100 prospects lists the first RB at 35 and includes eight RBs ranked between 35 and 90 with the Bears first pick at 87.

                   
 

90. Devin Singletary, RB, Florida Atlantic   *****  

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/2019-nfl-draft-updated-big-board-expands-100-nick-bosa-rises-above-all

***** Four of the eight are on the list that has had private visits with the Bears. Singletary and Williams of course within the closest range of the Bears first pick. 

Is there anyone there we like that is not a RB that would be considered BPA at 87?

If Amani Hooker is still there at 87, he deserves a look! He fits Pagano's type of secondary player!

.......................and he's an Iowa guy! LoL!

I don't know Cob, last Iowa DB they drafted, didn't turn out very well.

Singletary at least has market place name familiarity with Chicago fans.

Having a lot of tools does not make you a Carpenter.  -Vic Fangio

 

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Singletary worries me because he didn't face top talent in school and although there are success stories with small school players, the bears recent history with them is mixed.  Shaheen is no baby gronk.  Florida players moving north is not always a good thing either especially in October, November and December.

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Singletary worries me because he didn't face top talent in school and although there are success stories with small school players, the bears recent history with them is mixed.  Shaheen is no baby gronk.  Florida players moving north is not always a good thing either especially in October, November and December.

I just like his name.

Having a lot of tools does not make you a Carpenter.  -Vic Fangio

 

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I hope the Bears pick a guy from Iowa in round 7 or UDFA so cob can actually have a pet cat that fits the description of pet cat.

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I hope the Bears pick a guy from Iowa in round 7 or UDFA so cob can actually have a pet cat that fits the description of pet cat.

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